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Visiting the UK as a foreigner; returning after 4 years
Topic Started: 30 Jul 2007, 02:52 PM (1,162 Views)
louise
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Well after living in Melbourne for 4 years we felt we should go to the UK for a visit to catch up with family and old friends.
Expat friends had commented on when they have been back how unfriendly in the UK seem compared to Aussies and about avoiding eye-contact, no smiling etc. We didn’t find this although we avoided London and spent the majority of our time in the North. We did witness one fight and one slanging match in the middle of the day which was a bit scary but I’m sure in some suburbs of Melbourne you would see the same.

In the 27 days we were there it rained for 26 days. Our children were so excited that we had so many different names for the type of rain and insisted on going outside to ‘experience what it felt like’ we had pouring, belting, lashing, bucketing, down like stair rods, showers, freezing cold rain where you can’t feel your fingers and your face feels like you’ve had a face-lift ….and wait for it how excited were they ..HAIL. Please bear in mind it is summer in the UK. The main thing my son wanted to see was ‘that fine rain that wets you through’ courtesy of Peter Kay!

Well after day 4 when we had caught up with a few people the novelty had worn off for my hubby. I’m sure it would have been nicer if it had stopped raining but we didn’t go for a holiday we went to catch up with people. We even got stranded down south as the M1 was closed for 6 junctions because of the flooding but at least we were safe lots of people lost their homes and I think 6 people lost their lives. Even that though, the positive attitudes we would have seen in Oz after disasters (Fires, tourists in Tsunami, Bali Bombing etc) wasn’t there. People were on TV complaining that the council hadn’t got enough sand bags distributed to everyone and how they wanted to sue them.

We came to Australia with the attitude of “it’s not better, it’s not worse it’s just different” and I think this really helped us settle in straight from the beginning – I still feel this but I’ve jotted down a few things to remind people who haven’t been back for a while things that we take for granted.

Differences good and bad:
Walking around the streets, nobody seemed to be out walking unless they had a dog (dog muck need I say more) or they’d gone for a paper. We walk a lot and we didn’t really pass many people. People would look at us in horror when we’d say that we were walking to places 2 miles away as if they couldn’t possibly dream of walking that distance.

Lack of seating – no benches, we bought a Boots Sandwich deal at a outdoor retail shopping centre and there was not a single bench to sit down and eat at but yet there was a McDonalds (minus play areas), KFC and Pizza Hut.

Catalogue shops (Argos) this was useful and wished there was one in Aus to get rough idea of prices for things when we first moved here.

Food – great to have old favourites but so expensive (and lots not particularly healthy) – enjoyed revisiting our favourite Indian Restaurant and although we have a great one where we live in Melbourne you can’t top your UK favourite I feel. Pudding,chips,peas and gravy on your way home from the pub Mmm! Deep fried mushrooms with garlic dip, Yorkshire puddings (mine haven’t risen since being in Oz – mysterious?), lack of vegetables and salad accompanying meals in standard restaurants and pubs (mainly peas). Oh really struggled to find a place to go out for breakfast especially on a Sunday. Coffee! I didn’t have a decent coffee all the time I was there even in the city.

Shopping lack of fresh produce. So much more packet food and frozen food but try and find fresh noodles and you have to go to a big shopping store and even then it’s hard.
I don’t spend as much time food shopping here as the stores are so much smaller you whiz round in no time. I know I’ve seen people on this forum saying how food is just as expensive here as it is in the UK I didn’t find that. I suppose it’s where you shop and it took us a while to ‘eat Australian’ – you eat things when they are in season rather than eating what you are used to in the UK.

Crisps – such choice of snacks! Pickled onion monster munch, frazzles, skips, wotsits, Worcester sauce French fries ….must I go on.

Entertainment – how expensive! We went to a petting farm – you know guinea-pigs, rabbits, goats, pigs and (one) horse. It cost us $100 for 4 Adults and 3 children – we could have gone to a zoo for that price here. Petting farms are often free within other things here (fairs, fetes, mazes) Myuna farm is $20 for a family of 4 and grandparents get in for free!

Parking – you have to pay to park in so many places – shopping centres and railway stations not just in the city.

Security guards in parks – after 4pm security guards patrolled the parks in a bid to stop crime. My parents bowl and they have had bricks thrown at them in the past and they’re in their 70’s.

Materialistic – we had forgotten how materialistic people (lots but not all) in the UK are. The place we lived was a village surrounded by farms and fields. Local pubs were filled with mainly farmers, milkmen, teachers, police officers. It’s a nice area and it is affluent BUT people would talk about the cars they drove BMW, Mercedes, open-topped sports cars etc… Full-time mums would be picking up their kids from school done up to the nines in stiletto’s latest fashion and full make up on. I noticed the opposite when my niece visited us in Melbourne she was saying “look at what she’s wearing” and that’s one of the great things (in my opinion) about where we live now – nobody is judged on their clothes and fashion – nobody bats an eyelid if people walk down the street with nothing on their feet. People are comfortable with what they are wearing – yes some are more dressy than others but people are unique and aren’t dictated to by fashion trends on the whole.

Some friends of mine were worried that we would not want to come back to Melbourne when we went back ‘home’. It’s the place I grew up in, I have fond memories and I’m sure I will visit again, although I’ve no desire to go back for some time. I came back home to Melbourne and I know it’s not for everyone but wouldn’t life be boring if we all liked the same things.

Hope I’ve not put where we used to live in a bad light but it really opened our eyes going back as a visitor. There were quite a few times we didn’t feel overly safe walking through and again I’m sure there are places in Melbourne that we would feel the same.

Has anyone else experienced the same or different things going back?

Louise
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Jul 30 2007, 02:52 PM
Well after living in Melbourne for 4 years we felt we should go to the UK for a visit to catch up with family and old friends.
Expat friends had commented on when they have been back how unfriendly in the UK seem compared to Aussies and about avoiding eye-contact, no smiling etc. We didn’t find this although we avoided London and spent the majority of our time in the North. We did witness one fight and one slanging match in the middle of the day which was a bit scary but I’m sure in some suburbs of Melbourne you would see the same.

In the 27 days we were there it rained for 26 days. Our children were so excited that we had so many different names for the type of rain and insisted on going outside to ‘experience what it felt like’ we had pouring, belting, lashing, bucketing, down like stair rods, showers, freezing cold rain where you can’t feel your fingers and your face feels like you’ve had a face-lift ….and wait for it how excited were they ..HAIL. Please bear in mind it is summer in the UK. The main thing my son wanted to see was ‘that fine rain that wets you through’ courtesy of Peter Kay!

Well after day 4 when we had caught up with a few people the novelty had worn off for my hubby. I’m sure it would have been nicer if it had stopped raining but we didn’t go for a holiday we went to catch up with people. We even got stranded down south as the M1 was closed for 6 junctions because of the flooding but at least we were safe lots of people lost their homes and I think 6 people lost their lives. Even that though, the positive attitudes we would have seen in Oz after disasters (Fires, tourists in Tsunami, Bali Bombing etc) wasn’t there. People were on TV complaining that the council hadn’t got enough sand bags distributed to everyone and how they wanted to sue them.

We came to Australia with the attitude of “it’s not better, it’s not worse it’s just different” and I think this really helped us settle in straight from the beginning – I still feel this but I’ve jotted down a few things to remind people who haven’t been back for a while things that we take for granted.

Differences good and bad:
Walking around the streets, nobody seemed to be out walking unless they had a dog (dog muck need I say more) or they’d gone for a paper. We walk a lot and we didn’t really pass many people. People would look at us in horror when we’d say that we were walking to places 2 miles away as if they couldn’t possibly dream of walking that distance.

Lack of seating – no benches, we bought a Boots Sandwich deal at a outdoor retail shopping centre and there was not a single bench to sit down and eat at but yet there was a McDonalds (minus play areas), KFC and Pizza Hut.

Catalogue shops (Argos) this was useful and wished there was one in Aus to get rough idea of prices for things when we first moved here.

Food – great to have old favourites but so expensive (and lots not particularly healthy) – enjoyed revisiting our favourite Indian Restaurant and although we have a great one where we live in Melbourne you can’t top your UK favourite I feel. Pudding,chips,peas and gravy on your way home from the pub Mmm! Deep fried mushrooms with garlic dip, Yorkshire puddings (mine haven’t risen since being in Oz – mysterious?), lack of vegetables and salad accompanying meals in standard restaurants and pubs (mainly peas). Oh really struggled to find a place to go out for breakfast especially on a Sunday. Coffee! I didn’t have a decent coffee all the time I was there even in the city.

Shopping lack of fresh produce. So much more packet food and frozen food but try and find fresh noodles and you have to go to a big shopping store and even then it’s hard.
I don’t spend as much time food shopping here as the stores are so much smaller you whiz round in no time. I know I’ve seen people on this forum saying how food is just as expensive here as it is in the UK I didn’t find that. I suppose it’s where you shop and it took us a while to ‘eat Australian’ – you eat things when they are in season rather than eating what you are used to in the UK.

Crisps – such choice of snacks! Pickled onion monster munch, frazzles, skips, wotsits, Worcester sauce French fries ….must I go on.

Entertainment – how expensive! We went to a petting farm – you know guinea-pigs, rabbits, goats, pigs and (one) horse. It cost us $100 for 4 Adults and 3 children – we could have gone to a zoo for that price here. Petting farms are often free within other things here (fairs, fetes, mazes) Myuna farm is $20 for a family of 4 and grandparents get in for free!

Parking – you have to pay to park in so many places – shopping centres and railway stations not just in the city.

Security guards in parks – after 4pm security guards patrolled the parks in a bid to stop crime. My parents bowl and they have had bricks thrown at them in the past and they’re in their 70’s.

Materialistic – we had forgotten how materialistic people (lots but not all) in the UK are. The place we lived was a village surrounded by farms and fields. Local pubs were filled with mainly farmers, milkmen, teachers, police officers. It’s a nice area and it is affluent BUT people would talk about the cars they drove BMW, Mercedes, open-topped sports cars etc… Full-time mums would be picking up their kids from school done up to the nines in stiletto’s latest fashion and full make up on. I noticed the opposite when my niece visited us in Melbourne she was saying “look at what she’s wearing” and that’s one of the great things (in my opinion) about where we live now – nobody is judged on their clothes and fashion – nobody bats an eyelid if people walk down the street with nothing on their feet. People are comfortable with what they are wearing – yes some are more dressy than others but people are unique and aren’t dictated to by fashion trends on the whole.

Some friends of mine were worried that we would not want to come back to Melbourne when we went back ‘home’. It’s the place I grew up in, I have fond memories and I’m sure I will visit again, although I’ve no desire to go back for some time. I came back home to Melbourne and I know it’s not for everyone but wouldn’t life be boring if we all liked the same things.

Hope I’ve not put where we used to live in a bad light but it really opened our eyes going back as a visitor. There were quite a few times we didn’t feel overly safe walking through and again I’m sure there are places in Melbourne that we would feel the same.

Has anyone else experienced the same or different things going back?

Louise

Hi Louise


Great post, thanks for sharing your visit with us, we have been here just over a year now and are hoping to visit home next year 08, am looking forward to it and hopefully it will open my eyes and get me even more setttled in Oz.

Take Care

Mo
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Thanks Mo

It seems quite surreal saying 4 years. It has flown so quickly. Are you settled do you feel in Mornington after your year?
We watched a program when we were in the UK about a family from Mornington who were thinking of moving back to the UK (I think it was called no place like home) it really made us feel homesick seeing the beach and views in Melbourne.

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Hi Louise

thanks for your post, great for us to read as we will be arriving in Melbourne on the 11th August (as long as all goes well with the house sale). We are coming with the 'not better just different' attitude you mentioned so I hope it helps us to settle too.

all the best
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That was a great post Louise :)

Whereabouts in the UK were you?
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totally agree louise, we went back a month ago after two years. and would echo everything you say.
:D had to smile at the argos reference. was telling people at work about it only the other day. Every home should have an argos catalogue!!! :D
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Jul 30 2007, 06:21 PM
totally agree louise, we went back a month ago after two years. and would echo everything you say.
:D had to smile at the argos reference. was telling people at work about it only the other day. Every home should have an argos catalogue!!! :D

And a next catalogue.....................................................


Hi Louise

We do love Mornington, feel really at home here, think I just need to go back to remind myself what I am not missing, are you in Mornington?

Mo
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Jul 30 2007, 06:08 PM
That was a great post Louise :)

Whereabouts in the UK were you?



Hi Kapri,

I was in a place called High Crompton in the middle of Oldham and Rochdale.

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Hi Louise

We do love Mornington, feel really at home here, think I just need to go back to remind myself what I am not missing, are you in Mornington?

Mo
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Hi Mo, no we have just bought in Parkdale after living in Beaumaris since we arrived in 2003. We really like Mornington to visit, its a nice place to stop on the way back from Sorrento ( me and hubby's get away whenever baby-sitters come over for the weekend :kissed: )

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Hi, what an interesting post!

I hope we feel similar when we go back!! I think we'll have been here 3 or 4 years when we do.

I've only attempted Yorkshire puddings once since we got here and mine didn't rise either - I don't understand it :blink:
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Great post Louise.

Totally agree, after our reccie we felt that Melbourne wasn't better just different, so also hope that helps us to settle down.

We live in a small, beautiful village in the Peak District, which is absolutely teaming with visitors 365 days of the year. Rain or shine, always people about. I went to the village shop this morning and noticed that the only people that smiled and said good morning or even made eye contact, were locals. Several visitors that i passed just put their heads down and walked passed. So typical of people where I used to live in south of england and London!

I also found people in Melbourne were so friendly, even in the middle of the city.

To all Yorkshire Pudding makers ... try using a mix of sparkling water and milk in the batter. And obviously, the fat has to be really smoking and sizzle when you put the mixture in. Works every time for me!

Karen

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Great post, really liked it.

Hope we will feel as settled as you when we get to Australia.

all the best

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Hi louise,
We went back last xmas for 3 weeks the weather exactly the same i don't think it as stopped yet, couldn't agree with you more about it being ''better or not'' just different and how you adapt. I will always miss my family & friends but you have to get on with life where ever you are, and on days like today with this beauitful weather i can't fault the place (for us Geelong) when i've sat in the back garden on a winters day in the sun & looking forward to a good weekend.... B)

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Hi

We are plannng a trip back for a 'visit' next March, have to say I am not really looking forward to it......OH thinks it will settle our minds as to whether we have made the right decision with the move to Aus.

Thanks for a great post it was an interesting read.
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Hi there

Yep, Argos would make a fortune in Oz! That is the one thing our Aussie friends missed when they returned from London.

We've just got back from the UK. We've only been here 6 months but even in that time we've noticed the differences. The papers in the UK are really depressing to read and they sensationalise everything, I knew they did but I think not reading them for a few months emphasises it. Stabbing, shootings etc every day.

The UK on the whole does seem a lot duller than here. Certainly we missed the bright friendly shop assistants over there and the lack of customer service. Although we've always found that Brighton (where we are from) is a little bit different - more Aussiefied - so that part of it was fine - just the rest of the country!

The thing that shocked us most was prices of eating out. Unfortunately most of our friends suggested lets have a meal out - can't believe how much just a cheap meal out is! I kept converting back to dollars and having a fit. Trouble is some of it wasn't even that good for the money! Over here I've always found even the airport food is fresh and large in size - paid a fortune for a small pastry at Gatwick Airport.

It's just a pity that Oz is so far away from the UK, most of our friends would love to visit but I get the impression it's going to be one of those once in a lifetime type of trips for most of them. They've still got kids at home so makes it expensive and a lot of them aren't keen on flying longhaul. So I don't think we'll be inundated with visitors!

We have friends who have moved to Spain and they are now glad they didn't choose a longhaul destination for that very reason.

That's the bit I miss most is my friends and family - perhaps we could just tow the UK downunder - perfect!

Will be interesting to see how we feel after the next trip back!

Kim

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Interesting post Louise. We have no intention of going back to the UK for a number of years as we want to explore Aus first. Must say it will be interesting to see how we feel about the UK after visiting it again.
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That's the bit I miss most is my friends and family - perhaps we could just tow the UK downunder - perfect!

Will be interesting to see how we feel after the next trip back!

Kim

Yes, that's the hardest thing isn't it family and friends?

You'll be surprised though how many wonderful friends you make when you have been here for a little longer. I missed my Ozzie friends a little whilst we were back in the UK!! We have been back from our trip now for 6 weeks and we haven't had a weekend to ourselves as everyone wanted to see us again after we had been away for so long! I think the friends you make here almost like family as you go through so many events with them. You are always thought of at Christmas, Easter, Long weekends etc. Our first Christmas we had been here 4 months and we were invited to 4 different families houses on Christmas Day. We always spent Christmas with our family in the UK and we would have never thought of extending that invitation outside of our own little world. - I can't believe how selfish we were.

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Hi Louise

How long is longer? We've had a very up and down time so far - month staying with a friend of a friend, travelling for 2 months, another month with friend and then finally our own place! Six weeks in and then back to the UK for six weeks. We are now stationary for the next 9 months so hoping to start to get to know a few people!

We are finding it a bit hard as we both work from home and don't have kids - usually you make friends through kids and offices etc! We are both very sociable but we are at the stage where our hobby has turned into our work - so we need to find a new hobby!

I'm just having a really wobbly at the moment as missing everyone back home! I'm doing a freelance job at the moment which will be finished in a couple of weeks so hoping to have some more free time to get to know the place better.

Sounds like you've made some great friends in the time you've been here. Are they Aussies or expats? I think back in the UK it's the thing to spend Christmas with family and there is uproar if you don't, maybe it's different out here because you only have your friends! Christmas will certainly be different this year.


Kim

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Kim,

I'm so sorry you are finding it hard at the moment. You say that you have been in Oz 6 months but moved around an awful lot in that six months. Maybe now you are settling for 9 months and you have a base it may be easier.
A tip I was told when we first moved here was if anybody asked if you are here permanently (even if you are only on a 2 year visa) say "Yes we are hoping to be". The reason being, people are more likely to make an effort if they think you are in for the long-haul. As adults, putting in time to a new friendship and opening our homes and lives you need to know that you have time to really build on that relationship and nurture it and also benefit from the friendship. Think how hard it was to leave your own friends in the UK - you wouldn't want to knowingly build yourself up for that upset of losing a good friend.

I agree with you - I have found it much easier with having 2 children, they are automatic conversation starters and open up many more doors of different groups of friends ie school, soccer, dance etc. so I do appreciate that it's a different way around to approach this.
I made a couple of good friends by joining a tennis-club and having a group lesson - soon this followed coffee and cake after lessons and then (christmas time coming up is always good) the odd meal out. My hubby plays indoor soccer and again - Christmas get together with other halves made me meet 2 people I really hit it off with and one of those I would class as a very close friend (even though their husbands stopped playing soccer after 6 months we just bonded)- these were both ex pats. Bite the bullet and be the one to suggest a coffee or even invite them back to yours - Australians do morning-tea/afternoon-tea like no others so it's always time for tea/coffee.
I have a lot of ex pat friends but also a lot of Aussie friends - I think you are drawn to ex pats again because you automatically have something in common with them. You can empathise with missing loved ones - the fear of the 'dreaded phone call' and you can offer genuinely to be a contact at any time as you know what it feels like to have no emergency contact number and would hope somebody would reciprocate the offer.

Where abouts do you live Kim? Are you the type of person who would socialise with work-colleagues anyway or do you prefer to have friends away from work? When i first moved here I was taken to a group full of expat women, now it didn't appeal to when I went, but there were women there who were here on a 3 - 4 year visa. A lot of them couldn't work as it was the wrong visa and they got together and did wine tours - shopping tours etc. I could probably find out who they are if you are in this area but it may take me a while as it was about 4 years ago that I went to a meeting I'm sure they are still going strong though.

Now you have some stability hopefully things will start to fit into place.

Feel free to PM me, and good luck

Louise :flower:
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